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Citizen. Joe. RRRAARGH

  • Jun. 27th, 2017 at 9:01 AM
theemdash: (M Annoyed)
I stalled in my SG-1 rewatch for a bit (my Season 8 discs are janky), but finally picked it up again. I'm on "Citizen Joe" this morning. I hate this episode but it's been a long time since I watched it, so I thought I'd try to give it a chance.



Everything I used to hate about this episode I still hate. It's basically the writers giving the finger to all the fans while also introducing one of The Dumbest Ideas that changes the make up of the last six and a half years of the show. I'm pretty chill about ret-cons that add something to the mythology or characterization, but this conflicts with Jack's characterization and I just do not buy that Jack "There's Nothing Cruvus With Me" O'Neill was totally sanguine when he started getting flashes of the life of an Indiana barber. Especially not Season-2-era O'Neill who fucking flipped out every time an alien shoved something weird in his head. No. No no no no no.

And Charlene, Joe's wife? OH. MY. GOD. I had forgotten she was the Female Fan Surrogate and uttered the line, "It's just that personally I like stories that are more about inter-personal relations and a little less to do with things blowing up." It's such a passive-aggressive, childish swipe at the female fanbase of SG-1. There's one thing about poking fun at yourself and another thing about not only poking fun at your fanbase, but taking their legitimate commentary and turning it into a dismissible joke. I mean, it's not like SG-1 doesn't have episodes about inter-personal relations, what else would you call an episode like "Abyss"? Or "The Gamekeeper"? How about "Grace"? Or what about "Meridian"? (Also, please note that by the time we're seeing season 3 recaps—season 3—Joe is all romanticizing Jack's relationship with Laira, which is to say THEIR MALE FAN SURROGATE WANTS INTER-PERSONAL STORIES TOO.)


I really hate this episode.


princessofgeeks: (Default)
[personal profile] princessofgeeks wrote:
Jun. 27th, 2017 02:51 pm (UTC)
Not their finest hour for sure. Also it's very heavy on painful exposition in the conference room.
theemdash: (SG-1 Cruvus)
[personal profile] theemdash wrote:
Jun. 27th, 2017 02:58 pm (UTC)
When people talk about their least favorite episodes, this is the one I point to.

And, I mean, I'm used to their recap episodes. I don't have a problem with them, really, but thiiiiiiis????? *drops head to desk and leaves it there, softly moaning*
kay_brooke: Picture of Daniel Jackson from Stargate SG-1 looking surprised and curious (daniel)
[personal profile] kay_brooke wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2017 02:45 am (UTC)
Just about every TV series I've been a fan of has a few episodes in its run that I just quietly put into a mental box marked "Not Canon." It makes me feel better about things. Citizen Joe is definitely in that box.
theemdash: (M Headdesk)
[personal profile] theemdash wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2017 12:46 pm (UTC)
Citizen Joe is in that box along with the fish at the end of Moebius.
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[personal profile] ivorygates wrote:
Jul. 18th, 2017 04:31 am (UTC)
OH THANK GOD IT'S NOT JUST ME. I hate this ep with the fire of a thousand suns, because it's so clearly Mallozzi's poison pen letter to the female fanbase. And probably most of the male fanbase, come to that.
theemdash: (SG-1 Cruvus)
[personal profile] theemdash wrote:
Jul. 18th, 2017 11:48 am (UTC)

There are just so many digs in it directed to the female fanbase that I can't watch it without my hackles raised. "200" has a few barbs as well, but the target is the whole franchise, so I don't feel so insulted watching that like I do watching "Citizen Joe."
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[personal profile] ivorygates wrote:
Jul. 19th, 2017 06:08 am (UTC)
It is seriously as if the whole point of the episode was to try to scrape the "girl cooties" off of Stargate. It was petty and nasty-minded and basically threw the characterizations of everybody right out the window. And Spencer's fawning over-familiarity with SG-1 when he finally meets them infuriates me every single time I see it.

"200", OTOH, is kind of a poison-pen letter to the hand that fed them (as it were): the script goes off on RDA, the SciFi Channel, and a number of other straw men while pegging the suspension of disbelief meter. (Yeah, so much not a fan.) But as you say, in many ways it's much easier to ignore than "Citizen Joe" was...


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